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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: May 8, 2011 12:03pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: That '60s L.A. Band

no, not the Doors, but Canned Heat; to confess, i always knew the name Canned Heat growing up, but was never familiar with the band's music beyond the 3-4 radio staples

long story short, i just recently listened to the self-titled 1st LP, the first and only LP of Canned Heat i've ever heard, and i have only now managed to piece together my shattered brain; i've heard a lot of 'white boy' blues in my life, but Canned Heat stunned me and i can't believe i've never given them a serious listen previously, dammit

so, a couple of questions for you more knowledgeable folk: 1) where do i go from here? 2) i can tell that the band is pretty damn excellent with their instruments (unlike that amateur hippy band from SF <-- requisite GD reference), so i'm curious how the original members rank in comparison to their contemporaries? what about Adolfo de la Parra, who joined on drums by the 2nd album, how's his rep? 3) how are they ('60s CH) live?

stepping out for a bit, but look forward to any replies; thanks

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Poster: light into ashes Date: May 9, 2011 12:50am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: That '60s L.A. Band

You might also like the first two Butterfield Blues Band albums from '65/66, with Michael Bloomfield on guitar - lots of harmonica, hot guitar solos, traditional blues covers, mainly Chicago-style. As far as "American white-boy blues in the '60s," they're the band all the others looked up to.

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Poster: dark.starz Date: May 9, 2011 9:29pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: The Kings of the Blues!

Indeed, "East-West" The Butterfield Blues Band was one of the "summer of 66" treasures and safe to say a major influence on Jerry and Bob. Pig was already there!

While were moving towards "the shit"; from late "summer 1965" "Hoodoo Man Blues" Junior Wells and Buddy Guy.

Muddy Waters > "Folk Singer" 1964.

Willie Dixon > "I Am The Blues" 1970, "Catalyst" 1973.

Albert King > "Born Under A Bad Sign" 1967, "I'll Play The Blues For You" 1972, "I Wanna Get Funky" 1974.

One of the best parts of growing up in the Chicago "burbs" during the late 60's and early 70's, was the gift of being at the feet of these "Blues Kings" in the small intimate 100 seat clubs they would perform on any given evening. Totally human and completely approachable you could get on a first name basis at the bar before or after the gig.

What went down before LSD and the passing of the batton to the youthful 60's cultural rebellion is a national treasure.



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Poster: waynecs Date: May 9, 2011 6:52am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: That '60s L.A. Band

Arb,if you like John Lee Hooker check out the Hooker 'n' Heat LP they did did together in the 70's.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: May 8, 2011 12:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: That '60s L.A. Band

To be honest, I know little about Canned Heat beyond their enjoyable cameo appearance on the Woodstock album, and I'd be hard pressed now to give a good reason why I didn't follow up with some further listening. If you can use the company I'm inclined to join you on this journey.

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: May 8, 2011 2:51pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: That '60s L.A. Band

you're definitely welcome to join, Rob, i'm barely out of the gate, in fact you can join me at this show over on LL...

http://tinyurl.com/3vntmth

miles to go before we sleep!

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Poster: roughyed Date: May 9, 2011 12:34pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: That '60s L.A. Band

Saw them in Coventry 76/77 with The Bear on vocals. He was dead a couple of years later. Great concert. Bullfrog Blues to equal Rory's!

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Poster: Jacky Hughes Date: May 8, 2011 2:16pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: That '60s L.A. Band

I only know the Hallelujah and Future Blues albums. They are both good.
In my opinion they were a fine blues band.

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: May 8, 2011 3:01pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: That '60s L.A. Band

it looks like i'll be working my way through their early catalogue, which makes the most sense (since i'm an 'early era' zealot, ha ha); of course finding copies (preferably vinyl transcriptions), that will be a search itself

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Poster: vapors Date: May 10, 2011 12:46pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: That '60s L.A. Band

In my youth I purchased the bulk of my lp collection at a used record store, and Canned Heat was one of many bands whose albums I never owned, but was familiar with the record jackets from my frequent perusals. Thanks for the post – I will join with you in the exploration and hope to be able to contribute to any future discussions.

I did a bit of somewhat sketchy ‘hopping’ around on the internet and now have the first five albums in the car on cd (where I get a lot of my critical listening done.) Boogie on...

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: May 10, 2011 2:56pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: That '60s L.A. Band

bravo! i'm still enjoying immensely the 1st LP, but did manage to, ahem, track down the 2nd & 3rd ... boogie on indeed!

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Poster: vapors Date: May 10, 2011 3:15pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: That '60s L.A. Band

Did you know that Vintage, released in 1970, was actually their first recording from 1966?

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: May 10, 2011 4:37pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: That '60s L.A. Band

i did read that on the wiki page, so i'll be looking out for that LP as well, curious how it sounds compared to their self-titled

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Poster: hippie64 Date: May 10, 2011 1:52pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: That '60s L.A. Band



Recently watched this for the first time. It's been awhile since my mind was so severly blown.

The Blind Owl? amazing...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrljWGIHB7c

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: May 10, 2011 2:55pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: That '60s L.A. Band

wow, thanks for that link ... crushing in a 'heavy' kind of way, i.e., perfect!

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Poster: light into ashes Date: May 8, 2011 7:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Henry Thomas

To provide a slight GD connection - the original version of Canned Heat's hit Going Up the Country was Bull Doze Blues, a 1928 recording by Henry Thomas - the same fellow who first did the Dead's song Don't Ease Me In.
http://www.archive.org/details/HenryThomas (Don't Ease)
http://www.archive.org/details/HenryThomas-bullDozeBlues
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=audxGqo5AkQ (Canned Heat)

Various other of his songs are also on the Archive and Youtube. Some other favorites:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1TQW--lcnU (Texas Easy Street)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zo-VUL6V4EQ (Fishing Blues)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fT8he-Wf3I4 (Shanty Blues)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ETOEz_fFOQ (Cottonfield Blues)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSZCraIRhJc (Red River Blues)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pW2gGgj5pFo (Texas Worried Blues)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5YJqDKnq5I (Bob McKinney)

Some more info:
http://www.cascadeblues.org/History/HenryThomas.htm
http://www.tshaonline.org/handbook/online/articles/fthxc
http://record-fiend.blogspot.com/2010/03/henry-thomas-ragtime-texas-complete_21.html

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Poster: Lou Davenport Date: May 9, 2011 9:17pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Henry Thomas

Just yesterday, I was thinking of Henry Thomas as I was listening to a 1966 live Don't Ease Me In, and marveling at what a bunch of goofballs the boys were to release that song on one side of their first single. I have a 2LP set of his works on Yazoo that I see has been re-released on CD:

http://www.yazoorecords.com/1080.htm

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Poster: duckpond74 Date: May 8, 2011 12:54pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: That '60s L.A. Band

#1 - Boogie with Canned Heat - their second, which surprisingly was just recently getting the occasional plays at my house after being pulled off the shelf of old reels . . . On The Road Again was the single - nice classic studio outing.

#3 - Living the Blues - their third - a double LP - you'll get an idea of their live prowess and jamming chops - Goin' Up The Country was the single.

So if you've gotten bit by the first, I'd recommend getting the above two ASAP - hopefully you'll pleased. I've culled my collection a few times over the years, and these two recordings never get a second thought about being pulled. I'm currently awaiting a replacement LP of Living The Blues - always enjoyed this one in the summer months.

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: May 8, 2011 2:58pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: That '60s L.A. Band

thanks for the recommendations! i figured the 2nd & 3rd would be worthy, but it's nice to get positive feedback from someone who has lived with the LPs for years; cheers

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Poster: duckpond74 Date: May 8, 2011 3:14pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: That '60s L.A. Band

. . . and don't forget to boogie

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Poster: dark.starz Date: May 8, 2011 3:31pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Harvey Mandel - "The Snake"

IMHO the most significant aspect of Canned Heat was the furthering of the incomparable "Harvey Mandels" career.

Great, great alchemist in blending a jazz, blues, rock fusion sound, way ahead of it's time.

Check out Harvey Mandels solo album trifecta 1971-1973;

Baby Batter
The Snake
Shangrenade

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Poster: user unknown Date: May 8, 2011 6:09pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Harvey Mandel - 'The Snake'

Harvey was the replacement for another excellent blues guitarist Henry "The Sunflower" Vestine,who had been kicked out of the Mothers of Invention for excessive drug use.

The early lineup of: Bob "The Bear" Hite, Alan "Blind Owl" Wilson, Henry "Sunflower" Vestine(later Harevy "The Snake" Mansdel), Larry "The Mole" Taylor and Adolfo "Fito" de la Parra is considered by many to be the "classic" Heat.
The current lineup, yea they're still around and BIG in Europe, includes: Dale Spalding (guitar, harmonica, bass, vocals), Adolfo "Fito" de la Parra (drums, vocals), Larry "The Mole" Taylor (bass, guitar, vocals) and Harvey "The Snake" Mandel (guitar).


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Poster: AltheaRose Date: May 8, 2011 6:44pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Harvey Mandel - 'The Snake'

da mole, da snake ... and then they did the theme song for The Sopranos?

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Poster: user unknown Date: May 8, 2011 7:01pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Harvey Mandel - 'The Snake'

Fried Hockey Boogie....only 10 minutes this time

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7EPIYlyUIM

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Poster: DeadRed1971 Date: May 8, 2011 7:00pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Harvey Mandel - 'The Snake'

Yet still not comparable to Peter Green, Danny Kirwan, and Jeremy Spencer of the greatest blues band around.

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Poster: roughyed Date: May 9, 2011 12:42pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Harvey Mandel - 'The Snake'

...the greatest (white & British) blues band around was Dr Feelgood! (and they're still going too)

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Poster: user unknown Date: May 9, 2011 3:32pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Harvey Mandel - 'The Snake'

Ah British Blues Bands...there were many The Rolling Stones(Hell the name came from a Muddy Waters tune), The Animals, Fleetwood Mac, Savoy Brown, The Yardbirds, Manfred Mann(Not the F'n "Earth Band" the real "Manfreds"...one of the most overlooked band of "The British Invasion") and even The Beatles covered some American blues in their early days. Amazingly they turned a generation of white, American kids on to music that had been under their noses, but quite sadly hidden, for decades. It wold be hard to classify any of the British blues cover bands as "The Best" when there were so many virtually unknown black American "bluesmen" languishing in racial obscurity.

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Poster: fireeagle Date: May 9, 2011 2:55pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Harvey Mandel - 'The Snake'

you must be joking

rory was the greatest (rip)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l126PsYXicE
not exactly british though

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Poster: dark.starz Date: May 10, 2011 7:37am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Harvey Mandel - 'The Snake'

Rory Gallagher rocked, we spent many an evening as lads listening to his classic "Live in Europe" LP back in the day.

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Poster: user unknown Date: May 8, 2011 7:14pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Harvey Mandel - 'The Snake'

all a matter of opinion brother...
I think Jackie Brentson and The Delta Kings and a bunch of other American artists would argue the point. From England, Cream, Savoy Brown, John Mayall's Bluesbreakers et. al. might also disagree.

plus, Canned Heat is still "kickin' it old school"...

Fleetwood Mac "grew up" and ventured away from their roots.

"and don't forget to boogie"




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Poster: dark.starz Date: May 9, 2011 1:05pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Harvey Mandel - 'The Snake'

Ah yes, that other great "white" Blues Band from across the pond - Savoy Brown.

1969 - 1972

Blue Matter
A Step Further
Raw Sienna
Looking In
Street Corner Talking
Hellbound Train

Amazing what happens when you turn youthful musicians on to LSD and American Blues Music, yes?

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Poster: Tidewater four ten O nine Date: May 8, 2011 4:17pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Harvey Mandel - 'The Snake'

and don't forget to x-ref John Mayall's "Blues from Laurel Canyon" for further CH mentions.

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Poster: fireeagle Date: May 9, 2011 2:28am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: That '60s L.A. Band

got that 1st album since 1967, twas 1 of my 1st albums and naturally its been in a really bad shape for some 40 years. 2nd album boogie w/ch, esp fried hockey boogie is a classic and a must-listen. in 1971 they recorded another classic album: hooker n heath (w/john lee hooker). after that i lost track of them

saw them live once, in london in 1970. it was a festival, rain was pouring, beer was cold, smoke was plentiful and they sounded great


....boogie

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: May 8, 2011 3:03pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: That '60s L.A. Band

you were there when music was GREAT! 2nd mention of the Boogie LP, must make that one my next acquisition; thanks